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How to see causal premise required to create a GUT.
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|Post subject: How to see causal premise required to create a GUT.
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:14 pm
That would be "What objective measure Do All Life Forms use to MEASURE how any set of circumstances affects their staying alive?".
Scientific Implications are described in conclusions below.
The major one is that this Measure of Value must serve as the explicit, objective causal premise upon which all scientific theories are based, as how we order all our sensory inputs goes through this measure.
Analogy: The No 1st Cost List interface. It treats all users = sensory inputs alike, outputting good information for all.
The answer must meet three necessary constraints.
First, it must be an objective measure = we all can see it, perceive it with our properly operating senses, e.g. rap it with our knuckles, etc.
Second, it must be the one thing common to everything you do, or I do, or any other life form in the universe does, wherever our life form is in the universe.
Third, it must be as obvious as the nose on your face once it is pointed out = a Mr. Ed; "Why of course, its a horse, of course its a horse, a talking horse, why of course, it's Mr. Ed.". In short, you can not deny the evidence of your senses, as when your thumb gets hit by a 32 ounce framing hammer, Yeouch!
The reason it is so hard to see is that it is a constant, it does not wiggle or change so we do not notice it, so it drops out like the symbol for a constant in mathematical operations. So get ready to say, "Of course!".
DEFINITION. Measure = that which stays 'constant' while using it to compare all other things; e.g. I use a one foot long ruler to 'measure' the dimensions of a room.
We hook measures into logic this way, it is the ratio(s) of two or more finite fixed quantities of 'things'. e.g. The table top is ten 'water glass bottoms wide'; or the water glass is 'one tenth of a table top wide'. You just have to designate which is the base measure. In practice, it is the easiest to use because it can measure the most other variables(a test of our universal measure of personal value). Thus for fundamental theory making, you have to actually discover the base measure that is common to all possible observations made by we life forms.
Ergo, it takes two real things to make a measure = comparison.
For a Measure of Personal Value for any and all life forms, it must be the one thing common to everything I do, or you do, or the bug on the floor, or the E-T in the Andromeda galaxy. i.e. It, by inspection, measures how anything affects your staying alive wherever you are in the universe.
How's that for an all statement? That should be really easy to falsify = come up with an observation that contradicts the assertion. All any of you scientists have to do is swear in front of all that you do not use this objective measure of value the same way everyone else does, or that you can show us a life form that does not.
Method, the use of questions and answers = Socratic.
In order to meet out three constraints, we must answer the question just below. By the way, Consciously Knowing what the Measure of Value is, is extremely useful. Since NOT publicly knowing what the measure is explains why we are an unconscious Three Monkey Society(3MS).
THE QUESTION: What is the one OBJECTIVE thing common to everything you do?
You must be able to perceive it with your properly operating sensory apparatus. I have asked well over 50,000 people this question over the last 23 years, three people got it right without showing them first.
ANSWER: What do you see when you look in the mirror in the morning? Why your life form, of course. That body you are trotting around is the one thing that is common to everything you do, at least while you are in body oh fellow spirit.
NEXT QUESTION: How many hours a day do you have in your body? It is not a trick question.
ANSWER: 24 hours a day. That is the same for the bug on the floor if it should live so long, isn't it?, and the E-T in the Andromeda Galaxy? YEP, of course.
ERGO: One unit of time alive per unit time as measured by the speed of light. Notice I just hooked us into e = mc^.
CONCLUDING QUESTION: Since we life forms prefer staying alive, correct for you right? Ergo, when we take to long to get what we need to stay alive, WE DIE, don't we? YEP, that is true.
THUS IN ORDER TO STAY ALIVE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, we 'own time cost minimizers'(up to now unconsciously), try to SPEND as little OF OUR PERSONAL TIME AS POSSIBLE GETTING WHAT WE NEED TO STAY ALIVE or anything else we desire.
WHY would we do that? Because when we take to long to get what we need to stay alive, Our Life Forms DIE.
1. Scientific, once we know the 'Measure of Value' we life forms use to organize all of our perceptions of reality in order to stay alive; then it must serve as the 'OBJECTIVE CAUSAL PREMISE' for all scientific theories, i.e. you can't do science when your dead.
2. Base Logic for Doing Science: Since Economic Logic is the logic of personal value maximization, then economic logic consciously, or now unconsciously filters all measurements, thus it Must Be the Base Logic of Physics.
3. Nature of Universe implication: The fact we life forms are "own time cost minimizers" proves the universe is conserved = NO FREE LUNCH forever; i.e. sooner or later, the piper must be paid. However, we could not be alive without a 'float time' a short 'free lunch' time. We could use this 'float time' to 'DODGE THE BULLET' by Waking Up and preventing our Sun from being hit by our conservation debt.
4. Unconscious gets you dead and all the rest of us too: There is a plus to staying unconscious, you do not have to be honest with the rest of us, or admit you have implicit responsibilities to the rest of us Life Forms who sell you what you need to stay alive with.
5. A Three Monkey Society(3MS) Leadership is the inevitable result of 'unconscious own cost minimizers' running a society: They always wind up equating their personal gain with the General Welfare. The inevitable result, our fearless leaders sure have that 'See, Hear, and Speak no Evil about their mistakes and crimes down pat don't they? "We don't have enough time to assign blame now.", they always say when something they cause goes wrong. Don't worry, the universe does have time to assign blame.
6. Wake up and smell the roses, we have a conservation debt made of Anti-Matter that is going to fry us July 16, 2024. Preventing that is simple. Choosing to do what is necessary is a political act, that means we need to become a Captain based civilization. More on that elsewhere.
7. Mr. Ed time. I assert that I have demonstrated beyond a shadow of doubt what we Life Forms Common Objective Measure of Value is. Any takers on my bet? Anybody willing to assert in front of all that they are not "own time cost minimizers in trying to get what they need to stay alive"?
A Final Question
Why No Public Credit? The answer is simple. Public credit for any discovery that shows members of a 3MS they are members of a 3MS must be denied or the 3MS dies a public confession death. That would be a violation of 'own cost minimization'. Members of a 3MS can not admit they are wrong because some of their power, status, and money will go away. Eek!
Does that mean we can not change our society? That our leaders can not admit they are now conscious "own time cost minimizers".
Actually not true in practice, the confession generates forgiveness. We all know we all have sinned before, and will all do so again. We need them to run our governments and businesses, and most of them do, in fact, want what is best for all.
I started showing this FUNDAMENTAL SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY to scientists and the discovery it is based upon, the demonstration why Coase's Theorem was wrong over 28 years ago. No public credit yet. That means two things.
First, and of secondary importance, it confirms a 3MS presently runs science. Nothing new, that's how establishment scientists have worked for thousands of years. Its members keep their places in its pecking order by "not seeing" observations and proofs that over throw their paradigm. That means they deny credit where credit is due. That has to stop now, doesn't it? We will see.
Second, and vastly more important, science is Show and Tell in front of everyone. That means I have to say it and show it so you can see and understand it. It is up to me to engage your understanding. In practice, that means that the present "hidden and inaccessible" to the public peer review mechanism of science must be overthrown = why we invented the No 1st Cost List. Science is for all, therefore anyone can challenge my scientific assertions.
We can not afford to remain a planet of "unconscious own cost minimizers". Unconscious is a certain recipe for death for all.
"I swear to speak honestly and seek the truth when I use the No 1st Cost List public record."
Last edited by Dan on Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:11 pm; edited 8 times in total
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|Post subject: How Time Relates To Discovery required to create a GUT
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:02 am
Einstein there was no "objective simultaneity", yet to go FTL there must be. In fact we could not have a past, present, or future without a simultaneous NOW for all of existence.
So what does that mean? By inspection if there is a "simultaneous NOW " that expands into the future as the evidence shows our universe doing; then we have two problems;
1. How do we deal with the past we see now from long ago or any ago? e.g. Light from Quasars from 10 billion years ago just now striking us. Obviously, the source "still exists" now but it also existed at every point in between? So how do we go there(anywhere in past) at FTL is the question which I have answered elsewhere.
a. So does the past still exist for us to go there? Yes or no FTL.
2. Does the future exist NOW? Answer = NOW but we are on the margin of creating it at the c boundary. We create it out of the past.
a. requires entanglement.
Some thoughts for now.
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