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Science of Conservation Debt Why We Have A Conservation Debt, Theory & Evidence
This is the short story. Background: In 1985 I discovered what Objective Measure of Personal Value all life forms used to keep themselves alive with. This is the oldest 'economic question of all, What do we use to measure what is good and bad for ourselves under all possible sets of physical circumstances?."How To Measure Personal Value and Thus The Common Good."

Since we humans create scientific theories to describe how the universe works back to ourselves, our fundamental common objective measure of value must serve as its objective causal premise.

This led to deducing that we must live in a Moebius Geometry based universe and that all life forms are created and animated by thin Moebius Geometry based spirits. Souls have been rumored to exist before and all great religions posit their theology on the existence of a personal soul, e.g Catholics.

Western scientists, despite massive evidence to the contrary, deny that spirits exist and most refuse to look at the evidence.


So how do spirits create a planetary conservation debt and what is the evidence for it?

It started with a question: What makes our bodies move? I see an effect, movement. Ergo, there must be a cause.

I postulated that we are objectively real "spirits"; so how could spirits have dominion over matter, control matter?.

The simplest thing we could do to have dominion over matter was "make a hole", split base particles or molecules.

One half, the plus half triggers off a neuron, BUT the other half must be minus matter = Anti-Matter(A-M). We don't see any explosions in our brains, nor is their any evidence for these explosions in Earth's past or present so so where is the A-M?.

I did a thought experiment in February 1991 to find out. Although I had no evidence of any kind at the time for my experiment's results, evidence kept turning up over the next 17.5 years until there are published scientific reports confirming every single causal link in this theory.

First I made some simplifying assumptions:

1. A Moebius Surface has two sides as any observer can see.
2. Ergo, there must be something between the two sides.
3. Plus matter is on one side = ours, A-M on the other.
4. Visualize spirit as a U shaped channel.

The Thought Experiment:

1. Spirit splits "particle or molecule, I think H2O.
Evidence for H20, conjecture so far. Look for excess HO.

2. Plus part triggers neuron, but we have A-M part.
Evidence = we move without any visible outside cause.

3. U channel of spirit sucks in A-M part and sends it between two sides of M universe surface, under Sun, and then out to other side of M universe surface, which is as far away as you can get from Earth going across the M surface.

But this leaves a hole in our brain.

4. As A-M particle goes under Sun, it reverses the polarity of our U channel spirit and it now sucks a plus particle from the Sun and sends it back to our brain to fill the hole left by removal of A-M particle.
Evidence, "Sun Burns Anomalously" article from Science News about 2000. The anomaly could be explained if there was a small black hole at the center of the Sun. Since the Sun would not be shining if there was a small black hole, but spirits sucking particles to send back to Earth so as to maintain local conservation also explains the anomaly, does it not?

5. We all know the answer to this question. Do we get to dodge repaying the A-M debt forever in a conserved universe, and by inspection, a Moebius is a conserved geometry? We all know the answer, of course not?

6. We and our A-M debt begin to seek each other at the speed of light, .5c on one side, .5 c on the other = conservation assumption. Our A-M debt wants to come home but must come from as far away as possible across the surface. On a Moebius, that means it starts to come home from right on the other side.

7. What does the explosion look like? Since it is coming from as far away as possible, that means it must come from the other side of the Sun on the plane of the Earth's ecliptic at .5 c. It is coming for Earth, but the Sun gets in the way Kaboom and earth gets vaporized.

Evidence, part one: These explosions were called 'Long Term Gamma Blasters'(LTGB), January 17, 1993 New York Times, Science section. These LTGBss last many hundreds of seconds. Up to over 2000 seconds.

After I talked to the five astro-physicists involved with the Compton satellite that recorded these explosions, the term was not used again. Strange these LTGB Gamma Ray explosions are clearly distinctly different from Gamma Bursters that last from a second to under 20 seconds. Gamma Ray Burster page. On this site they truncate the data so that the two groups are not clearly separated.

Evidence, part two: The first question I asked during my first call to one of the physicists in England was, "How does their frequency vary with duration?"; his answer, "The longer they last, the more your see." = conclusive evidence that a local conservation violation must have a hand in these explosions = we spirits creating a conservation debt?

Clearly in a conserved universe, the bigger things are, the fewer you see. e.g. The bigger the mountain, the fewer there are. The bigger the star, the fewer you see.

Evidence, part three: Since the LTGB sends a ray out from the sun to vaporize the life bearing planet that created the A-M debt; then we should see evidence in the form of an expanding cloud of hot gases and debris on one side of the Sun that was hit. In 1998, three hours after a LTGB was reported the Hubble saw exactly that. "The Optical Counterpart To The Gamma Ray burst GR970228 Observed Using The Hubble Telescope" 'Nature' May 29, 1997 page 476. This "afterglow" as our astronomers call it, has been observed after many other LTGBs.

8. The Shock Remember, I had none of the evidence listed above, which is not a complete list.

On February 10, 1992 I called Gerard Hawkins about his article "Geometric Harvest" in the February 1, 1992 Science News. It was about the fact that some of the early crop circles were extremely elegant proofs of geometric theorems that had never before been published in ancient or modern mathematical literature. On the cover was a picture of one of the 'crop circle proofs', the Barbary Castle crop circle. It was the first large complex circle. It turned out to be the E-Ts thesis statement = Tell them what you are going to say and show them.

I was interested in the math, I was trying to write the equation for Moebius Strips using only there properties, not an external co-ordinate system as all present equations for them must use now.

About 45 minutes into our conversation, I realized the Barbary Castle could be a picture of my thought experiment explosion. I did some measurements and realized it was. I was ecstatic for about 30 seconds, eyewitness confirmation from a source that must have seen them close up from space = E-Ts; then I remembered what planet I was standing on. I became less happy. It took me three days to deduce that in theory at least we could prevent this explosion. I have been trying to warn you ever since. You do not like the idea.

A list of the evidence for A-M conservation debt and questions Moebius Strip Geometry universe answers:

1. Sensory deprivation tank experiments. Subject has imaginary itch, scratches nose, signals originate in cerebral cortex without any outside sensory inputs.

2. Five Part E-T message Summary
All we need do do now is confirm the existence of the two conjunctions.

3. New Your Times January 17, 1993 Science Section about Long Term Gamma Blasters.

4. Where is Anti-matter our physics equations require? Look at a Moebius, the A-M is on the other side of its surface. Huge A-M jets from only one side of galactic cores. "Milky Way's Heart Gushes Anti-Matter" Science News, May 3, 1997. A black hole has to send its matter someplace = other side of Moebius universe surface.

5. Where is the missing 95% matter that our astro-physicists say we can not see? Moebius universe replicates and grows larger, by construction when you disconnect a conservation debt.


6. Billion plus light year Hole with no stars seen in universe. (get citation)


7. "Geometric Harvest"(Euclid's Crop Circles}, Science News, February 1, 1992, page 76. This includes the cover picture of the Barbary Castle crop circle(about 290' across) that shows Earth being vaporized. Placed down at 1:45 AM GMT on July 17, 1991 according to two separate pairs of eye witnesses.


I will add more later, but time is short and I must run.

Posted by Dan Wednesday, November 18, 2009 (08:17:10)
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Re: Why We Have A Conservation Debt, Theory & Evidence (Score: 1 )
by Dan on Wednesday, July 28, 2010 (02:24:53)
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Why no comments? Is it because people do not understand why an objective measure of the General Welfare is crucial to our survival?

Without the truth about what we are, we all die; yet no one seems to want to know.

This is the oldest question of all. Who are we? How do we measure what is good for staying alive?

My oh my!!



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The inventor speaks first. My name is Dan Alter n1cl-1, I am a scientist and I had publication of the fundamental political/economic discovery blocked, so my wife and I invented the N1CL. Why Coase's Theorem is Wrong, Politics, and Scientific Publication Since science is for all of us, that must mean anyone can question a scientist's public assertions. Now that the N1CL is invented, I assert you can not claim to be a scientist and not be a member of the N1CL.


A thought experiment leads to a Warning about a Preventable catastrophic danger to Earth.

In February 1991 I theoretically predicted that when spirits create and move life forms by splitting base molecules into plus and minus halves, they must put the Anti-Matter half on the other side/surface of our Moebius geometry universe. Eventually our conservation debt comes back striking our Sun, Kaboom. It was just a deductive thought experiment, I had no evidence of any kind.

On February 10, 1992 in a February 1, 1992 Science News article "Geometric Harvest" by Gerard Hawkins, I saw objective evidence that absolutely confirmed my theoretical prediction. It was a picture of Earth being vaporized that could only have been drawn by someones who had seen these events up close from space. Ergo, E-Ts not us. It was the first large complex crop circle, the Barbary Castle.

It was extraordinarily disconcerting. It took me three days to deduce there must be an out, a way to prevent Earth from being vaporized.

Since it can be prevented, I have been warning you ever since.


Last December after seeing Avatar, I finally realized that I was faced with a terrible ethical question. It was the answer to a question that had bothered me from the beginning about the E-T warning ritual. Their warning was absolutely minimal. "Why would they want us to die without a try?" They were life lovers too, they did business here without bothering us, yet no obvious in your face public warning?

The answer is unfortunately obvious. It was because we are a Three Monkey Society(3MS), which makes us criminally insane. Clearly with FTL, we would do to them what we did to the North and South American Indians. Given the simple means of doing faster than light(FTL) star travel, turning a 3MS loose with FTL travel would literally mean other non 3MS FTL planetary societies would be committing suicide. (Yes I can prove how the E-Ts do FTL, and it does not violate going faster than light over the surface of our Moebius Strip Geometry universe.)

My ethical duty is to save life here on Earth.
But the E-T's duty is to other living planets. Since they love life to, then only hard experience would make them choose to let a 3MS die. For sure, we would not listen to them telling us to stop being bad. We have to figure this out for ourselves.

So what can we do to show them we have stopped being a 3MS? Only an election and a public cry directly to them for help. That is the only way I see out of this dilemma.

We must have their help now, we need two working interplanetary FTL ships as it is probably too late to build them ourselves.

THEREFORE, the only way I or the E-Ts can ethically help disconnect our conservation debt made of Anti-Matter(A-M) is for Earth's citizens to show by DEED IN PUBLIC that we have ended being a Three Monkey Society. That means our leaders must start Using the N1CL right now; so we can demonstrate publicly we are not a 3MS anymore.

The second public purpose of the N1CL[/b], and arguably its biggest benefit, is to stop forevermore our sworn leaders from committing the most heinous crime possible in any democracy: When any sworn leader ignores, tolerates, covers-up, or helps any other sworn leader commit a felony.

Here's how to stop you and our elected and sworn leaders from being unconscious members of a Three Monkey Society(3MS).



Scientific background to the Warning

"Objective facts" are eyewitness measurements and observations that are confirmed by other honest reporters. Thus "Objective facts" can only be created by two or more honest people. Since science is for all of us, this must mean negative or positive public feedback from anyone who sees "logical and observational discrepancies" in any scientist's public assertions. How else can our reports and theories be confirmed, improved, or disproved?

I, Dan Alter, made a fundamental scientific discovery in 1985. What "objective" measure of value that we spirits/souls all must and do use to keep our life forms alive. Presently here on Earth, almost always unconsciously. How to measure personal value and thus the common good. We unconsciously value(logically order) any piece of information we perceive through this measure. Thus knowing consciously what it is and how we use it must serve as the 'objective' causal premise for a scientific Grand Unification Theory.

It is a measure that by construction, assumes a conserved universe: One unit of time per unit of time alive, and no take backs.

In a conserved universe, we spirits must create a conservation debt made of Anti-Matter to keep our life forms alive. The only two questions that matter now are: 'when does the debt came due?', and 'can we disconnect from it?'. The answer to doing a disconnection is, of course, yes. God always gives us a final out. Doing a disconnection means we go faster than light(FTL) to the other side of the Sun. Should my prediction of how to do FTL be true, then it is simple to do and within our technological capabilities, and certainly the E-Ts capabilities.

One of the N1CL's highest services is to Objectively Verify or Disprove warnings of danger to Earth or anybody on Earth.


Our public dialogue starts with someone asking the first question: Questions please.(As of 05-16-10 not a single question about anything I have said from a stranger in the over 5 years that the N1CL has been operational. My oh my.)


Our First Warning




Reported by Dan Alter, n1cl-1.


I am a scientist. I have sworn to tell the truth on this public record.

I have a fearful prediction for the rest of you to confirm. At first, it was just a theoretical prediction with no objective evidence supporting it; but since 1992, a series of published scientific reports have verified every single causal link in the underlying theory, and now we there is a way to conclusively confirm the theories' ultimate conclusion.

For life to exist on a planet, we objectively real spirits must create a planetary conservation debt made of Anti-Matter(A-M) when we make our life forms move. Our spirits put our A-M debt onto the other side of our Moebius Strip Geometry Universe. Eventually a planet's conservation debt comes back to Earth striking our Sun, or it must be consciously disconnected. Our public choice.

Most present scientists deny that our life forms are driven by objectively real spirits, and they also believe that Einstein's Relativity Theory shows there is no base "frame of reference" that tie all other personal "reference frames" together. As we will see, both assertions are proven wrong when it is shown that we have an A-M conservation debt.

The crucial piece of proof that we are, in fact spirits, is that the E-Ts warning message shows exactly how our conservation debt made of Anti-Matter strikes our Sun, vaporizing Earth, leaving an Afterglow of expanding cooling gases. These afterglows were first seen by the Hubble after a 1997 Long Term Gamma Blaster(LTGB). Now we have seen many more afterglows after a LTGB occurs = vaporized life bearing planets.

The E-T public warning is a chilling four or five part message that includes two famous crop circles. The first was the "Barbary Castle" placed down on July 17, 1991 at 1:45 AM UTC that shows us how we are vaporized and the 'afterglow' that follows. It was followed exactly to the minute three years later by the Shoemaker-Levy comet that struck Jupiter on July 16, 1994(leap year) at 20:13 PM UTC. The third part of the E-T warning was the 'Missing Earth" crop circle On June 26, 1995 showing an asteroid conjunction.

The remaining parts of the E-T's warning message are one or probably two asteroid conjunction(s)' that can not occur naturally' = "must be caused by someones not from Earth". We will know which possibility after our astronomers look.

Read carefully, think, consider carefully, then act. Everyone's life depends upon our acting consciously and swiftly in public.

Predicted Conjunction(s)
When the asteroid conjunction shown in the 'Missing Earth" occurs on July 16, 2009, there will be a second conjunction on July 16, 2012 which decisively sums up the E-T's message.

Should the asteroid conjunction occur on July 16, 2012, then we will not get a second conjunction, and we will have to use other measurements to determine exactly when.

Confirming that one or both of these 'must be caused' asteroid conjunctions exists confirms that the message must be from E-Ts, since we Earthlings can not move asteroids into conjunction. Read More.





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Dan: "Any man who wants to be president is either an egomaniac or crazy." Dwight D. Eisenhower .
31-Aug-2010 05:09:48
Dan: Eq: We locate ourselves between two boundaries with a 'no can go direction' and a preferred direction on or ahead of M surface. M twists back on itself forced by 'no can go direction' = violate conservation. Prefered direction is towards a 'split', a replication by sub-division; but subdivision does not catch what is going on. When a M divides it expands in circuference and surface area. Maybe call the process 'expand by division' while not fiolating conservation with respect to base input.
28-Aug-2010 03:52:16
Dan: "Do we Earthlings deserve to live, deserve to be helped by the E-Ts and thus me?" The answer is of course, a resounding yes. I, you, the E-Ts are duty bound as self life lovers; since we live by XC. I, We just have to ask them to help the right way. So what is the way???? Use the List, that has to be key. Ask, "Will you help us verify that Earth faces a mortal danger?".
27-Aug-2010 05:02:20
Dan: I have spent the last year trying to get out of doing this disconnection with a whole heart like my "we are too bad to live" ala Avatar. We make our future always, that is what staying alive requires. There is always an out, always at least two alternatives, you just have to see the 'split' that creates the alternative, starting with the opposite possibility. Anyway, I can't wiggle off the hook, it is do or die as life always depends on adapting, adjusting, improvising to change the "particular circumstances of time and place" Hayek, in a way that keeps Us alive.
27-Aug-2010 04:44:43
Dan: But we are all copies of God = little Moebiuses, just not big enough or old enough to be self-aware; so is Mother earth self-aware, as we life forms aggregate many independent cells symbiotically?
21-Aug-2010 06:28:08
Dan: [b]Why this well from hell?[/b] Mother Earth is using us to try and kill off over half the biomass on the planet in less than one year beginning July 16, 2011. To use us this way means we are not very conscious of what is really going on.
19-Aug-2010 20:11:42
Dan: New problem w BP well. There is something causing a plug. They are worried about over pressure???? On Drudge. "Final Gulf oil well 'kill' plan on hold amid pressure fears", "WASHINGTON (AFP) – A long-standing deadline for sealing the ruptured Gulf of Mexico well deep below the seabed will be missed as US officials and BP tackle concerns about debris lodged in the well. BP and US government representatives had hoped to complete a "bottom kill" procedure and officially pronounce the well dead by mid-August, but the US pointman on the oil spill response said Monday the bid was on hold. Admiral Thad Allen said that an earlier successful process sealing the well from above may have wedged cement between two layers of casing, trapping leaked crude inside the void.".xxxxx In short, they don't know what is going on. Come on, please give us a plugged well for real.
17-Aug-2010 20:46:26
Dan: Obama is self destructing. a perfect opportunity to show he is for the first amendment and religious freedom and he temporizes. He is an empty suit.
17-Aug-2010 12:45:49
Dan: Why does BP well still leak? Since they expected 9000 psi after capping well, but got 6450 psi rising slowly to 7000 pse; then there are three possibilities. 1. a leak with a grindup from bottom that reduces weight of oil/gas in well bore above intake; 2. no leak, but field pressure is increasing; 3. A leak, but rock formation is gradually sealing itself off implying exponential pressure increase as formation seals off. The second possibility, field pressure increasing gradually seems unlikely in any biotic field, where 2#psi per hour would be fast I would think. Whereas an abiotic field = very very large would be constant implying possibility one = A big leak!!
14-Aug-2010 21:27:47
Dan: Changed "How We Life Forms Measure Personal Value and Thus the General Welfare" to " How We Measure The General Welfare With We Life Forms Common Measure of Personal Value."
13-Aug-2010 07:42:37
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