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Why rising CO2 levels Can NOT cause global warming.

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PostPost subject: Why rising CO2 levels Can NOT cause global warming.
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:42 pm

This was first written 12-20-2013, revised 11-11-2015, 11-25-15, 12-2-15, 1-09-17, 1-11-18, 1-18-18, last 2-14-18

Posted on climate.news using Disquis 2-14-18:
The reason Al Gore's prediction that CO2 causes global warming is wrong is because CO2 can't. The Beer-Lambert Law, the basis of spectrographic analysis puts an absolute upper limit on how much infrared CO2 can absorb.

Since the warmists assert CO2 is the cause then Co2 rises first, and after some lag time temperatures rise.

But the 100 ice core samples in Greenland and Antarctica going back 800,000 years including over two dozen inter-glacials when large differences in CO2 levels and temperatures were measured. These ice cores show the exact opposite chain of causation.

After temperatures rise for about 1000 years then CO2 levels start rising. After temperatures start falling by around 1000 years then CO2 levels start falling. Ergo, CO2 does not cause global warming, as it is an effect of temperature increases. This is exactly what the Beer-Lambert Law predicts, that CO2 stops absorbing infrared radiation at under 100 PPM in our atmosphere.

CO2 is instead the basis of all plant life on Earth you carbon based life form, and it is the greatest plant fertilizer in the world, especially for desert plants as it enables them to use water much more efficiently. An effect NASA has seen in the Sahara from space.

2000 PPM is ideal and is the level master gardeners pump into their greenhouses.

Conclusion 1: We have a corrupt scientific environment where self-interested taxers and corporate interests buy so called scientists with Phds to tell lies for grant money. These "scientists" have been caught at least five times fudging the temperature records. Deliberately lying about the data is a mortal sin for anyone who claims to be a scientist.

Conclusion 2: We need to put as much CO2 as we can into the atmosphere.

Sent this to Marc Morano at Climate Depot 1-18-18.
It is a good Tell them what you're going to say.

"As a scientist, I can show and tell directly that CO2 can NOT cause global warming, and instead it is the most beneficial gas for life on Earth.

All 100 ice core samples going back 800,000 years from Greenland and Antarctica show temperatures rise 800+ years Before CO2 levels rise, and CO2 starts falling 800+ years After temperatures start falling. Ergo, an effect not a cause.

Why is simple = the Beer-Lambert Law. The basic Law describing the amount any gas can absorb of any kind of radiation. It is the physics basis used for spectrographic analysis. e.g. our blood tests.

As a scientist this ignoring by anti-warmists of this obvious violation of the base analytical principle of science "Causes always occur before Effects". stuns me.

All your references to the temperature record showing we were warmer before mean nothing without a Why?

Since CO2 is the best plant fertilizer on the planet, especially for desert plants since it enables them to use water more efficiently.

We are supposed to be trying to increase C)2 production, not reduce it.

These CO2 tax proposals will kill people.

So I want you to publish a short article on your site letting me explain Why CO2 can NOT cause global warming.


Dan Alter"

Given the complete lack of an honest public scientific debate on whether or not CO2 can cause global warming, it is time we do so before we make a deadly for many, expensive for all, public policy decision to reduce CO2 emissions with a Carbon Emissions Tax proposed by Governor Inslee and the IPCC(Inter Governmental Panel on Climate Change).

This paper explains how the base principle of scientific analysis -Causes Always Occur Before Effects shows whether or not CO2 levels increase average global temperatures.

1. Why CO2 STOPS absorbing infrared well below 400 ppm;
2. This is explained by the Beer-Lambert Law which predicts that increases in CO2 levels beyond about 100 ppm stop absorbing infrared, ergo can not cause global warming;
3. this prediction is confirmed by 100 ice core samples going back 800,000 years in both Antarctica and Greenland. without exception, these cores show that CO2 levels increase on average a thousand years after global temperatures start increasing and start decreasing after global temps fall.

Ergo CO2 levels are an effect not a cause of atmospheric temperature levels;

4. another confirmation is that there has been no average atmosphere temperature increase for over 18 years while CO2 levels continue to rise;
5. further I explain why CO2 is essential for all plant life as it is actually the best fertilizer for CO2 breathing plants worldwide, most especially for desert plants as it enables them to use water more efficiently. Recent NASA pictures of the Sahara confirm this greening effect that started recently.
6. I ask the question Why are AGW proponents not admitting when their facts and science are wrong;
7. which forces this conclusion, AGW proponents are, in reality, anti-environment because they won't admit when their facts and scientific logic are wrong.

Calling someone a denialist is not an answer, it only shows intellectual dishonesty.

Say It.

First, a cause always precedes an effect for it to be a cause. Period. The base principle of scientific analysis.

CO2 increases always occur, without exception, after global temperatures start rising,
as 800,000 years of ice core samples show both in Greenland and Antarctica. These ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature increases by 1200 +/- 700 years and CO2 levels decline after temperature levels start falling.

Page 29 by Burt Rutan. A shorter term graph.

The reason for this is shown by applying the Beer-Lambert Law.

A caveat: This does not mean the planet can not warm or cool by other causes, just that CO2 stops absorbing infrared at under 120 ppm, and so can not further contribute to global warming. A conclusion predicted by the Beer-Lambert Law discovered independently by Beer & Lambert in the 1700s. I have listed more urls to tests at the bottom confirming the above assertion.

The IPCC claim that there is a 95% consensus among scientists for AGW is false on its face, Peer reviewed survey shows majority of scientists are skeptical of AGW.

There are thousands of scientists savaging its latest report. The fact you do not hear these disagreements is a terrible indictment of our major news media. As temperature records show Earth was warmer during the medieval warm period 800 plus years ago when CO2 levels were lower.

The Beer-Lambert Law shows why CO2 has very little to do with global cooling or warming, since plants breathe CO2 making it necessary for all life to exist on Earth. More is better, not less. Tt is the most powerful global plant fertilizer in existence, especially for deserts.

CO2 caused Global Warming advocates' whole hypothesis rests on a physically impossible assertion, "that CO2 in the atmosphere absorbs infrared heat like a sponge with infinite heat capacity". They claim that as CO2 levels have increased in our atmosphere to the present 4/10,000ths(400+ ppm) from the 280 ppm pre-1800, then this increase would start warming the whole planet on a massive scale. Further they predict that further increases in CO2 levels will create massive heat caused disruptions, killing much life on Earth.

However this public assertion is NOT true, NOT possible, in short gross scientific malpractice caused by not starting your analysis from a fixed point of reference, the place from which almost all Earth's infrared originates, its surface.

The Beer-Lambert Law is a basic gas physics law that describes how infrared radiation is absorbed by any atmospheric gas especially CO2. It describes why increased atmospheric CO2 levels can NOT cause global warming. As the density of gas atoms or molecules increases the first layers absorb the radiation blocking the atoms and molecules in line behind the first layer. Once the density increases beyond a predictable parts per million, the gas can absorb no more radiation.

Thus the Beer-Lambert Law predicts the upper limit on how much infrared energy any gas can absorb. Once you know the ppm for CO2 or any other gas(s) in an atmosphere where 50% of the infrared is absorbed(at 30 ppm for C02 in less than one cubic meter), then the Beer-Lambert Law says by doubling the ppm you can only absorb another 50% more, or just twice as much. This puts an absolute upper limit on how much infrared energy any gas can absorb. It is flatly, unequivocally, physically impossible for CO2 to absorb anymore infrared starting at around 100 ppm, let alone 400 ppm.

The Beer-Lambert Law works in two ways. First, it predicts how much doubling CO2 levels affects infrared absorption as infrared moves in a straight line up from Earth's surface through a fixed volume of atmosphere(a cubic meter, actually less);

or second, by doubling the distance infrared travels while holding ppm constant. Both ways can and do operate at the same time. In CO2's case using either measurement, starting at 30 ppm and doubling to 400 ppm our present level, or doubling the distance CO2 travels through the atmosphere, all the infrared CO2 can absorb is absorbed well before 400 ppm is reached. It is in fact, an infrared sponge of very small capacity. Any combination of six distance or ppm doubles gets you to over 99% absorption of the infrared. Basic gas physics.

Here is an exaggerated example of how the Beer-Lambert Law works.

CO2 absorbs 50% of the infrared it can absorb at 30 ppm after traveling a given distance from the surface through the atmosphere(it is under 1 meter but we could use 100 meters and get the same result), lets stick with one meter, double the ppm to 60 and it absorbs half more of the infrared left, or 75% of the infrared it can absorb, double again to 120 ppm and it absorbs half more of the infrared not yet absorbed or 87.5%.

At 240 ppm = 94.75% of infrared it can absorb.

Obviously at 400 ppm we are at 97%.

In fact, all the infrared radiation CO2 can absorb is absorbed in under 20 meters of atmosphere because doubling the distance infrared rays go gives the same effect as doubling the ppm.

For example, lets use one meter as our doubling distance unit and holding CO2 levels at 30 PPM, then with four doubles we are at 16 meters absorbing 94.75% of the infrared CO2 can absorb. Since we are at 400 ppm, that is another 4 doubles or 99% plus absorption of infrared. Thus any combination of PPM doubles and distance doubles that add up to six doubles and CO2 can't absorb anymore infrared, the excess goes straight out to space.

But lets use a 100 meters as our doubling distance while holding to 30 ppm. At 1600 meters of atmosphere we are at 94.75% absorption of infrared.

CO2 goes up to more than 22,000 meters or 22 kilometers in our atmosphere. Go to page 12 for the graphs showing CO2 levels from 6 to 22 kilometers of altitude. High atmospheric CO2 levels are very close to ground levels.

Ergo above 100 ppm any remaining infrared absorption by CO2 is negligible. However we do get that lovely plant fertilization effect.

Notice changing the initial 30 ppm observation to 200 ppm doesn’t change the argument. We could start at 200 ppm and we would still be at not 75% absorption at 400 ppm but 100%. Again that's because of the 22 plus kilometers of distance infrared must travel through the atmosphere.

Measurements of average global temperature confirm this. Average Earth temperatures have not risen for 18 years. This puts all present CO2 caused global warming models well below their predicted temperature range. This result is predicted by the Beer-Lambert Law because it says that any CO2 greenhouse effect has long ago topped out, as all the possible infrared CO2 can absorb has been absorbed long before we reached 400 ppm.

In addition, man caused additions to CO2 levels have always been a very small percentage of all natural greenhouse gasses cycled yearly on Earth. About 0.28%. This trivial amount can only hold a tiny fraction of the heat energy necessary to warm Earth as the warmists predict.


Those of you who say man's emissions of CO2 cause global warming must show us that the Beer-Lambert Law does not hold for CO2 infrared absorption, which would mean chemistry professors would have to stop teaching the Law and we can stop using spectroscopic gas, blood, and chemical analysis; or Global Warming advocates can admit your arguments for CO2 caused global warming are shown by basic physics to be impossible.

When you are talking policies that would leave a third or more of Earth's population without the benefits of the energy produced by fossil fuels that we in the developed world enjoy, then Global Warming advocates have an absolute obligation to get your facts straight about how much infrared CO2 can absorb at 400 ppm = ALL it possibly can; before you advocate policies absolutely contradicted by basic physics.

Measurements show that what infrared CO2 does absorb is trivial compared to water vapor in the rest of atmosphere.

Since Governor Inslee and the IPCC are pushing massive tax increases and regulations restricting the single greatest positive input for increasing vegetation levels on Earth i.e. CO2 which is the food we eat, then their NOT true assertion must be exposed and challenged before Governor Inslee's and the IPCC 's mistaken tax proposals actually do kill some of us.

Two words are supposed to come out of your mouth when someone demonstrates that your facts are wrong. They are, "Thank you!" When was the last bad measurement you used for free?

Our Biggest Problem With Our Up To Now Non Public Debate

As of this date, when you show most warming advocates their facts are wrong they call you names, get angry, and stomp away. Right now, that behavior applies to way to many of us opining on any subject. Such behavior is the sign of a dishonest and immature civilization. It is about time we grew up.

Tests: A spectroscopic artifact by Heinz Hug

CO2 Absorption Spectrum Explained by Gary Novak

List of papers on CO2 absorption properties

These links are enough to get started. Hug's paper is simple and direct about how to do the test that shows CO2 absorbs all the infrared CO2 it can within ten meters at our atmospheric levels. It is easily replicated.

The best summary of evidence of how CO2 relates to climate change. An Engineer‟s Critique of Global Warming „Science‟ Questioning the CAGW * theory by Burt Rutan Jan 2011

His conclusion. We do have a problem, low CO2. I agree.

Two recommendations:

First, we don't know enough about what causes changes in global temperatures, except it is not CO2 affecting those changes at these levels. We haven't been watching objectively long enough, so lets cool our jets and let Mother Earth do her thing until we know more. One thing I do know, warmer is better. Ice ages kill.

Second, Along with Rutan I strongly recommend more CO2 because it grows a lot more vegetation, especially in desert areas. You really do want to help green the planet without extra work and no extra global warming, don't you?

Finally, I stand ready to answer any challenges to my logic, facts, and conclusions. Isn't it about time our "warmists" stood in front of all in a real Public Place, the No 1st Cost List, to have their public assertions vetted by all?

"I swear to speak honestly and seek the truth when I use the No 1st Cost List public record."

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